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Post  Mondogarage on Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:56 pm

Okay, I've looked at this hand and see I really should have raised on 4th street (and possibly even three-bet 3rd street?), when I had the apparent best draw (and I definitely should have folded on 6th), but I'd love to hear comments. I should mention this was from a poker blogger tourney, and I think it's highly unlikely that anyone still in the hand would have folded to a 4th street raise by me. Of course, by 6th street, I was facing a couple monsters...

Full Tilt Poker Game #5504872463: Skill Series (40521319), Table 9 - 80/160 Ante 15 - Limit Stud Hi - 22:19:40 ET - 2008/03/04
Seat 1: Shabazz Jenkins (3,496)
Seat 2: cemfredmd (2,290)
Seat 3: pvanharibo (2,945)
Seat 4: GCox25 (2,264)
Seat 5: Mondogarage (4,696)
Seat 6: corron10 (3,334)
Seat 7: bayne_s (2,120)
Seat 8: peacecorn (2,855)
Shabazz Jenkins antes 15
cemfredmd antes 15
pvanharibo antes 15
GCox25 antes 15
Mondogarage antes 15
corron10 antes 15
bayne_s antes 15
peacecorn antes 15
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Shabazz Jenkins [4c]
Dealt to cemfredmd [8s]
Dealt to pvanharibo [2h]
Dealt to GCox25 [9c]
Dealt to Mondogarage [Qs As] [7s]
Dealt to corron10 [Kd]
Dealt to bayne_s [2d]
Dealt to peacecorn [4h]
bayne_s is low with [2d]
bayne_s brings in for 25
peacecorn folds
Shabazz Jenkins calls 25
cemfredmd calls 25
pvanharibo calls 25
GCox25 completes it to 80
Mondogarage calls 80
corron10 folds
bayne_s folds
Shabazz Jenkins calls 55
cemfredmd calls 55
pvanharibo calls 55
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Shabazz Jenkins [4c] [Th]
Dealt to cemfredmd [8s] [Qh]
Dealt to pvanharibo [2h] [2s]
Dealt to GCox25 [9c] [5s]
Dealt to Mondogarage [Qs As 7s] [6s]
pvanharibo checks
GCox25 bets 160
Mondogarage calls 160
Shabazz Jenkins folds
cemfredmd calls 160
pvanharibo calls 160
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to cemfredmd [8s Qh] [Js]
Dealt to pvanharibo [2h 2s] [3h]
Dealt to GCox25 [9c 5s] [8h]
Dealt to Mondogarage [Qs As 7s 6s] [Tc]
pvanharibo checks
GCox25 bets 160
Mondogarage calls 160
cemfredmd raises to 320
pvanharibo calls 320
GCox25 raises to 480
Mondogarage calls 320
cemfredmd calls 160
pvanharibo calls 160
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to cemfredmd [8s Qh Js] [Jd]
Dealt to pvanharibo [2h 2s 3h] [Td]
Dealt to GCox25 [9c 5s 8h] [7c]
Dealt to Mondogarage [Qs As 7s 6s Tc] [Kh]
cemfredmd bets 160
pvanharibo calls 160
GCox25 raises to 320
Mondogarage calls 320
cemfredmd raises to 480
pvanharibo calls 320
GCox25 raises to 640
Mondogarage calls 320
cemfredmd calls 160
pvanharibo calls 160
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to Mondogarage [Qs As 7s 6s Tc Kh] [4s]
cemfredmd bets 160
pvanharibo raises to 320
GCox25 raises to 480
Mondogarage raises to 640
cemfredmd calls 480
pvanharibo calls 320
GCox25 calls 160
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Mondogarage shows [As Qs 7s 6s Tc Kh 4s] a flush, Ace high
cemfredmd shows [Jh 8c 8s Qh Js Jd 7d] a full house, Jacks full of Eights
pvanharibo mucks
GCox25 shows [9s 9h 9c 5s 8h 7c 9d] four of a kind, Nines
GCox25 wins the pot (8,225) with four of a kind, Nines
The limits are now 100/200 with an ante of 15
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8,225 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Shabazz Jenkins folded on 4th St.
Seat 2: cemfredmd showed [Jh 8c 8s Qh Js Jd 7d] and lost with a full house, Jacks full of Eights
Seat 3: pvanharibo mucked [5d 3s 2h 2s 3h Td 3d] - a full house, Threes full of Twos
Seat 4: GCox25 showed [9s 9h 9c 5s 8h 7c 9d] and won (8,225) with four of a kind, Nines
Seat 5: Mondogarage showed [As Qs 7s 6s Tc Kh 4s] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 6: corron10 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 7: bayne_s folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: peacecorn folded on 3rd St.
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Post  PoWdA on Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:38 pm

Mondogarage wrote:Okay, I've looked at this hand and see I really should have raised on 4th street (and possibly even three-bet 3rd street?), when I had the apparent best draw (and I definitely should have folded on 6th), but I'd love to hear comments. I should mention this was from a poker blogger tourney, and I think it's highly unlikely that anyone still in the hand would have folded to a 4th street raise by me. Of course, by 6th street, I was facing a couple monsters...

Full Tilt Poker Game #5504872463: Skill Series (40521319), Table 9 - 80/160 Ante 15 - Limit Stud Hi - 22:19:40 ET - 2008/03/04
Seat 1: Shabazz Jenkins (3,496)
Seat 2: cemfredmd (2,290)
Seat 3: pvanharibo (2,945)
Seat 4: GCox25 (2,264)
Seat 5: Mondogarage (4,696)
Seat 6: corron10 (3,334)
Seat 7: bayne_s (2,120)
Seat 8: peacecorn (2,855)
Shabazz Jenkins antes 15
cemfredmd antes 15
pvanharibo antes 15
GCox25 antes 15
Mondogarage antes 15
corron10 antes 15
bayne_s antes 15
peacecorn antes 15
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Shabazz Jenkins [4c]
Dealt to cemfredmd [8s]
Dealt to pvanharibo [2h]
Dealt to GCox25 [9c]
Dealt to Mondogarage [Qs As] [7s]
Dealt to corron10 [Kd]
Dealt to bayne_s [2d]
Dealt to peacecorn [4h]
bayne_s is low with [2d]
bayne_s brings in for 25
peacecorn folds
Shabazz Jenkins calls 25
cemfredmd calls 25
pvanharibo calls 25
GCox25 completes it to 80
Mondogarage calls 80
corron10 folds
bayne_s folds
Shabazz Jenkins calls 55
cemfredmd calls 55
pvanharibo calls 55
Sure. I don't like to raise a flush draw, you want players in the pot to give you odds later on. I call here as well.
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Shabazz Jenkins [4c] [Th]
Dealt to cemfredmd [8s] [Qh]
Dealt to pvanharibo [2h] [2s]
Dealt to GCox25 [9c] [5s]
Dealt to Mondogarage [Qs As 7s] [6s]
pvanharibo checks
GCox25 bets 160
Mondogarage calls 160
Shabazz Jenkins folds
cemfredmd calls 160
pvanharibo calls 160
Sure, once again raising here thins the field and doesn't give as great of odds but when pv pairs his door card be careful. I think he has a medium/small pp in the hole so I am have him on 2 pair now but with a larger door card you need to put him on trips here. I am also noticing a few spades out there, you really need great odds to continue.
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to cemfredmd [8s Qh] [Js]
Dealt to pvanharibo [2h 2s] [3h]
Dealt to GCox25 [9c 5s] [8h]
Dealt to Mondogarage [Qs As 7s 6s] [Tc]
pvanharibo checks
GCox25 bets 160
Mondogarage calls 160
cemfredmd raises to 320
pvanharibo calls 320
GCox25 raises to 480
Mondogarage calls 320
cemfredmd calls 160
pvanharibo calls 160
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to cemfredmd [8s Qh Js] [Jd]
Dealt to pvanharibo [2h 2s 3h] [Td]
Dealt to GCox25 [9c 5s 8h] [7c]
Dealt to Mondogarage [Qs As 7s 6s Tc] [Kh]
cemfredmd bets 160
pvanharibo calls 160
GCox25 raises to 320
Mondogarage calls 320
cemfredmd raises to 480
pvanharibo calls 320
GCox25 raises to 640
Mondogarage calls 320
cemfredmd calls 160
pvanharibo calls 160
There is a lot going on here! I think I fold to the 320 bet when I see 2 pairs on the board and I am drawing to a flush. I have to give my opponents credit for 2 pair at least and possibly already made boats and I am sitting here with a naked FD. I might not even be good if I hit here so I probobly fold here.
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to Mondogarage [Qs As 7s 6s Tc Kh] [4s]
cemfredmd bets 160
pvanharibo raises to 320
GCox25 raises to 480
Mondogarage raises to 640
cemfredmd calls 480
pvanharibo calls 320
GCox25 calls 160
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Mondogarage shows [As Qs 7s 6s Tc Kh 4s] a flush, Ace high
cemfredmd shows [Jh 8c 8s Qh Js Jd 7d] a full house, Jacks full of Eights
pvanharibo mucks
GCox25 shows [9s 9h 9c 5s 8h 7c 9d] four of a kind, Nines
GCox25 wins the pot (8,225) with four of a kind, Nines
The limits are now 100/200 with an ante of 15
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8,225 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Shabazz Jenkins folded on 4th St.
Seat 2: cemfredmd showed [Jh 8c 8s Qh Js Jd 7d] and lost with a full house, Jacks full of Eights
Seat 3: pvanharibo mucked [5d 3s 2h 2s 3h Td 3d] - a full house, Threes full of Twos
Seat 4: GCox25 showed [9s 9h 9c 5s 8h 7c 9d] and won (8,225) with four of a kind, Nines
Seat 5: Mondogarage showed [As Qs 7s 6s Tc Kh 4s] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 6: corron10 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 7: bayne_s folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: peacecorn folded on 3rd St.

For the record I gave my analasys street by street without looking to see the result. I called it! Not the quads but the boat. Same idea. Multiple open pairs vs FD = fold the FD!
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Post  Mondogarage on Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:46 pm

Thanks for the advice...yeah, I think in retrospect, I should have played the hand per your analysis (call 3rd & 4th, fold to the 6th street raise). In fact, I would have still been 2nd in chips at the table if I fold there. Which may have been rather irrelevant, since I more than doubled up later in the tourney (but still went out before the money).

Oh yeah, you'll find this part cute. "PV" is a she (she's a NYC lawyer). Here's her blog: http://lawchica.blogspot.com/

She's had a couple of five figure scores, too.

Note to self -- two pairs showing and folks raising meant GTFO with less than a made boat Wink
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Post  PoWdA on Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:52 pm

Mondogarage wrote:Thanks for the advice...yeah, I think in retrospect, I should have played the hand per your analysis (call 3rd & 4th, fold to the 6th street raise). In fact, I would have still been 2nd in chips at the table if I fold there. Which may have been rather irrelevant, since I more than doubled up later in the tourney (but still went out before the money).

Oh yeah, you'll find this part cute. "PV" is a she (she's a NYC lawyer). Here's her blog: http://lawchica.blogspot.com/

She's had a couple of five figure scores, too.

Note to self -- two pairs showing and folks raising meant GTFO with less than a made boat Wink
also always take note of when your opponent pairs thier door card, on any street.
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Post  dexman1349 on Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:57 pm

After 4th street there are 7 visible spades, this reduces your chances of catching the flush down to only 6 outs.

I agree with Danny, if I see open pairs on the board, I'll turn into a calling station (but only if I have pot-odds). Usually, if I don't have the flush by at least 6th street, I'm mucking. I rarely depend on the river to bail me out, especially when there are multiple people betting, raising, and calling around me. There are just too many hands to dodge here.

Pv should never have been in the hand. Even in a high/low game, her hand is marginal. If she was paying attention, a 2 was mucked pre-flop and the second 2 on 4th street should have given her an indication his outs were limited.

Gcox was showing strenth from the beginning, although it wasn't obvious until the end why. He was betting/raising every time. Even if he has a history of doing this on multiple hands, you still have to put him on at least a decent hand (2-pair, trips, and the gutshot straight on the board by 6th street).
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Post  Mondogarage on Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:01 pm

PoWdA wrote: also always take note of when your opponent pairs thier door card, on any street.

If my opponent on a later hand had done that, I might have cashed.

I don't have the HH, but about 45 minutes or so later, with 40 left (12 get paid), a dude brings in, and someone else with an A in the door completes.

I have three spades (again), but a four in the door, and I raise. (He's shown a tendency to fold earlier, and he's lower in chips than me.) He calls. I pair my door 4 on 4th street and bet out, trying to sell a hand. He raises, I re-raise, and he calls. I'm now in for like 70% of my chips, and lead out on 5th and 6th, for some dumbass reason...

Um, he didn't pay attention to my clear aggression with 44 showing...and I didn't improve, and his split pair of AA took me out, lol.
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Post  PoWdA on Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:46 am

btw those are some HUGE hands all at once. I mean it's pretty rare to see 2 full houses, let alone 2 full houses with another person holding the nut flush AND one guy with quads!!! Crazy hand, but you still need to fold to that much action with multiple open pairs out there. I mean, what do you think those open pairs are betting at eachother with?
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Post  idh78 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:08 am

PoWdA wrote: I mean, what do you think those open pairs are betting at eachother with?

one pair vs one pair? Oh wait nevermind Andy and I weren't playing. Cool
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