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Post  PoWdA on Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:15 am

Is anyone else running into people doing this shit more and more lately? I see it a lot out of the short stackers in ring games. They sit short, maybe call a few hands, miss the flop, and fold and just push their entire stack in when they hit it hard and pray for a call. This is practically the same thing only minus the short stack. Is anyone else encountering this? The thing is he can't have the nuts everytime. He could easily have something like KQ, KJ, K9. He could have something like QT or maybe a flush or even just the naked Ac. Is there anything we can do but fold to this? I mean I want to snap this guy off so bad but I think I am beat or he has a killer draw. Input?


PokerStars Game #21669689568: Tournament #116550732, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/11/01 12:07:35 ET
Table '116550732 14' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: mingo14 (2920 in chips)
Seat 2: FloppyMcNutZ (3580 in chips)
Seat 3: newbiegg (3220 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: beeman57 (2550 in chips)
Seat 6: almani03 (3300 in chips)
Seat 7: gugus84 (2910 in chips)
Seat 8: Uffe_74 (2680 in chips)
Seat 9: bills9898 (2840 in chips)
beeman57: posts small blind 10
almani03: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FloppyMcNutZ [Ad Ah]
gugus84: folds
Uffe_74: folds
bills9898: calls 20
mingo14: folds
FloppyMcNutZ: raises 60 to 80
newbiegg: folds
beeman57: folds
PoolGator is connected
almani03: folds
bills9898: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [Kc 9c Jc]
bills9898: bets 2760 and is all-in
FloppyMcNutZ: folds
Uncalled bet (2760) returned to bills9898
bills9898 collected 190 from pot
bills9898: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 190 | Rake 0
Board [Kc 9c Jc]
Seat 1: mingo14 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: FloppyMcNutZ folded on the Flop
Seat 3: newbiegg (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: beeman57 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: almani03 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: gugus84 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Uffe_74 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: bills9898 collected (190)
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Post  SnowOcean on Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:42 pm

Yeah that sucks. That guy is going to build a nice stack early and then spew, or just spew. The tough thing about playing guys like these is when you get involved with them you have to be ready to call your entire stack off.

As for your play its a definate fold there. The best case scenario for you is he has a baby flush. To call that many chips to an inferior player in the first level of a tournament is a mistake.

Funny story not related to the hand. Last night at a cash table I ran into a table with about 3 guys like this. Total maniacs. I had won some money before they sat down so I decided I would sit on my stack and wait for a monster to see if i could win a big pot. So I post my BB and it folds to the small blind. He calls and has been a total douche all night. I have QQ and push all-in. He called with As9s. I literally bet 30 times the size of the pot pre-flop and got called with As9s. After that double up I left the table........but to answer your question I run into these types of players.....At the 5c-10c tables I am sure it is more common though.
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Post  Stallion on Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:08 pm

Yeah, this is a pretty clear fold IMO.
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Post  Scrupboy on Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:55 pm

You surely had to fold there as the amount of chips you would risk that early in a tournament is just not worth it. I like these players to some degree. They will make this same type of move with 3rd nut or worse. If you had AQ of clubs right there it's an insta-call and this guy is out. This type of player almost always eventually gets caught with someone holding the nuts and they're gone. I also make the same type of move against someone that is a calling station, whom I've beat the last three times we were involved and will call me out of spite... of course, while holding the nuts.
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