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Post  SnowOcean on Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:56 pm

I hate to complain, but it sure doesn't feel like I win in these spots 83% of the time.......I lost a majority of my chips a few hands earlier because I was outkicked.......time for another break I guess.

PokerStars Game #22633078640: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/12/04 23:32:40 ET
Table 'Gemini IV' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: Pilotage007 ($2.80 in chips)
Seat 3: jabombom ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 4: snowocean ($1.95 in chips)
Seat 5: poppyjm ($6.20 in chips)
Seat 6: xDillweedX ($9.70 in chips)
Seat 7: M4000 ($7.10 in chips)
Seat 8: Flopstar333 ($6.55 in chips)
Seat 9: Mighty Hugo ($2.75 in chips)
jabombom: posts small blind $0.05
snowocean: posts big blind $0.10
SweetStarrr: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to snowocean [Ks As]
poppyjm: folds
xDillweedX: raises $0.20 to $0.30
M4000: folds
Flopstar333: folds
Mighty Hugo: folds
Mighty Hugo leaves the table
Pilotage007: folds
jabombom: folds
snowocean: calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [5c Ah 6d]
snowocean: checks
xDillweedX: bets $0.60
snowocean: raises $1.05 to $1.65 and is all-in
xDillweedX: calls $1.05
*** TURN *** [5c Ah 6d] [9c]
*** RIVER *** [5c Ah 6d 9c] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
snowocean: shows [Ks As] (a pair of Aces)
xDillweedX: shows [Jc Ac] (a flush, Ace high)
xDillweedX collected $3.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.95 | Rake $0.15
Board [5c Ah 6d 9c 4c]
Seat 2: Pilotage007 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jabombom (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: snowocean (big blind) showed [Ks As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: poppyjm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: xDillweedX showed [Jc Ac] and won ($3.80) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 7: M4000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Flopstar333 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Mighty Hugo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Post  PoWdA on Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:25 am

Not much you can do there... I might re-pop it pre-flop but as played you played it fine. Not much else you can do.
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Post  Scrupboy on Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:14 pm

unfortunate, but like Danny said, you played it fine. Sometimes those back door draws can be deadly. At least it wasn't a one outer. Those just burn me up.
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Post  SnowOcean on Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:51 pm

I have no regrets about the way I played it, just posted it last night out of pure frustration.

There was a guy at the table that was real active and I had lost 2 decent sized(in proportion with blinds of course!) pots to him. In the first one I may have layed down the best hand after raising his bet on the flop. Still unsure if it was the correct play, but I was left with well over half my buy-in so I figured I would find a better spot. A couple hands later I lost my 2nd pot to him when I had top pair jack kicker to his top top.....at this point I was under half my buy in, but not by much. I started raising quite a few pots and winning just enough blinds to justify the raises, plus a few squeeze plays....a little better than treading water.

Thats when I ran into the hand I posted.

The preflop raise definately came into my line of thinking, I just didn't like it in this spot. With 20 BB you are committing yourself to the hand preflop if he pushes all in. I hate to get in a coin flip when I can continue to whittle away and eventually find a dominating spot to win a big pot. If he calls I don't like my spot either. I would have approximately 1/2 my stack in with a drawing hand out of position......what do you do if the flop is Q56 rainbow? You can check hoping he checks behind, or you can push in your entire stack. If he's getting 4-1 on a call is there a hand he folds here(that you beat)? Better yet how would a call be from you if he pushes after you check getting 4-1? If you can justify a call then pushing is probably the correct play. What kind of odds would you have to get here to justify a call? Why? Now last but not least if he folds(rare at these stakes btw) I feel like 3 BB is not enough value for a hand that good to a player I felt with give me his stack with marginal holdings......especially since my table image at the time was loose/donkey.

Anyways not to ramble too much, but I think this is a very common spot to be in and I would be curious to hear what other people think about different lines, or if they see a hole in any of the comments above PLEASE fill me in.......I am driving myself crazy trying to learn this game!
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Post  SnowOcean on Fri Dec 05, 2008 7:39 pm

hahahahaha.......got those 5 cent 10 cent tables back baby(LOL)!!!!

After taking some decent pots got dealt this cooler:

PokerStars Game #22655328662: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/12/05 19:22:18 ET
Table 'Mizuho II' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: jasonfish11 ($24.50 in chips)
Seat 2: 4FingerWu ($5.55 in chips)
Seat 3: Lazzaro56 ($3.95 in chips)
Seat 4: Krak_Poker ($6.45 in chips)
Seat 5: TheTrader789 ($9.75 in chips)
Seat 6: snowocean ($5.35 in chips)
Seat 7: allmine ($5.10 in chips)
Seat 8: digitaldk ($2.75 in chips)
Seat 9: mikest62 ($1.15 in chips)
jasonfish11: posts small blind $0.05
4FingerWu: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to snowocean [Qd Qc]
Lazzaro56: calls $0.10
Krak_Poker: folds
TheTrader789: folds
snowocean: raises $0.25 to $0.35
allmine: folds
digitaldk: folds
mikest62: folds
jasonfish11: folds
4FingerWu: calls $0.25
Lazzaro56: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [8s Qh 8h]
4FingerWu: checks
Lazzaro56: checks
snowocean: bets $0.20
4FingerWu: calls $0.20
Lazzaro56: calls $0.20
*** TURN *** [8s Qh 8h] [Jc]
4FingerWu: checks
Lazzaro56: checks
snowocean: checks
*** RIVER *** [8s Qh 8h Jc] [2d]
4FingerWu: bets $1
Lazzaro56: folds
snowocean: raises $1.50 to $2.50
4FingerWu: raises $1.50 to $4
snowocean: raises $0.80 to $4.80 and is all-in
4FingerWu: calls $0.80
*** SHOW DOWN ***
snowocean: shows [Qd Qc] (a full house, Queens full of Eights)
4FingerWu: shows [8c 7h] (three of a kind, Eights)
snowocean collected $10.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $11.30 | Rake $0.55
Board [8s Qh 8h Jc 2d]
Seat 1: jasonfish11 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: 4FingerWu (big blind) showed [8c 7h] and lost with three of a kind, Eights
Seat 3: Lazzaro56 folded on the River
Seat 4: Krak_Poker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: TheTrader789 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: snowocean showed [Qd Qc] and won ($10.75) with a full house, Queens full of Eights
Seat 7: allmine folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: digitaldk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mikest62 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

The only question I have would be: Is 4FingerWu's re-raise +EV?

Normally I would say no way, but as soon as I flopped top boat I decided to try and sell a river bluff......typically the best I expect here is a call. Does anyone here re-raise with 78?
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