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Post  SnowOcean on Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:05 pm

are you re-raising pot on the flop?

PokerStars Game #26151558140: Tournament #147630082, Freeroll Omaha Pot Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2009/03/19 23:51:17 ET
Table '147630082 420' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: alemaords (27056 in chips)
Seat 2: Player2889 (8654 in chips)
Seat 3: kado14 (2220 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: kevtheiceman (3400 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: PokaPimp83 (825 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: harbut123 (745 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: duu_86 (705 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: snowocean (14235 in chips)
Seat 9: rd3656 (670 in chips) is sitting out
kevtheiceman: posts small blind 100
PokaPimp83: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to snowocean [8d 5h 9h 8s]
harbut123: folds
duu_86: folds
snowocean: calls 200
rd3656: folds
alemaords: calls 200
Player2889: calls 200
kado14: folds
kevtheiceman: folds
PokaPimp83: folds
*** FLOP *** [6s 7s Kd]
snowocean: bets 400
alemaords: raises 800 to 1200
Player2889: folds
snowocean: calls 800
*** TURN *** [6s 7s Kd] [2h]
snowocean: checks
alemaords: bets 2000
snowocean: calls 2000
*** RIVER *** [6s 7s Kd 2h] [Ah]
snowocean: checks
alemaords: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
snowocean: shows [8d 5h 9h 8s] (a pair of Eights)
alemaords: shows [7d Jd 7c 4s] (three of a kind, Sevens)
alemaords collected 7300 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7300 | Rake 0
Board [6s 7s Kd 2h Ah]
Seat 1: alemaords showed [7d Jd 7c 4s] and won (7300) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 2: Player2889 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: kado14 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: kevtheiceman (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: PokaPimp83 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: harbut123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: duu_86 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: snowocean showed [8d 5h 9h 8s] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 9: rd3656 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


obviously i get crushed, but i feel like i play too passive when playing PLO.....if your not re-raising pot here do you change your mind if the flush draw is not out there?
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Post  PoWdA on Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:38 am

Without reading the results I am saying fold pre. This hand is weak and barely coordinated. You have chips, no need to mess around here, just muck this. As played on the flop I check/fold to a pot sized bet. The flush draw which we have no part of is too much to outrun. In Omaha, don't chase flushes with a pair on the board. The same goes for drawing to straights with a flush draw on the board. If you don't do these 2 things you will save a lot of headaches. If you can, try to check the flop and get a free card. You pretty much fold to everything but a min-bet on this flop.

Basically I think this hand fell apart the second that you decided to play it. Limping a weak hand with little going for it unless you hit a perfect flop. You did not get a perfect flop, you got a bad flop, and kept going. This hand was an easy muck pre.
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Post  korkskrew on Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:10 am

@ Powda

I hate to be the devils advocate here, but did you notice that this was three handed?

I think your advice makes perfect sense in a ring game but short handed?

@ snow

My take on this would be just what you did except I would have folded the flop instead of calling. Your draws are too weak.

I might have even been tempted to check fold that flop. Like Powda said...it's a bad flop for you.

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Post  Mondogarage on Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:16 am

Betting less than 1/2 pot out of position on the flop, is an invitation to getting pushed out of the hand. Your only draw is an OESD that isn't even the nut straight draw, much less the nut draw.

Danny's advice is correct, a hand like this shouldn't even be seeing a flop, as your only semi-coordinated for smallish straights.

The fact only three saw the flop here doesn't matter on that flop, and the bet size indicated weakness.

Having seen a flop, check/fold is the only reasonable play here.
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Post  korkskrew on Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:33 pm

I'm not arguing, I just want to be clear. My point was not that three hands saw the flop, it's that there are only three players at the table. All others are sitting out.

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Post  SnowOcean on Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:56 pm

that definitely changed the dynamic of the game.......

if i am calculating correctly i had 16 outs to a straight, 4 of which put a flush on the board.......i usually don't mind peeling here for a small bet, but i agree chasing a draw that is not the not draw in this game is a little crazy.

thanks for th input from everyone!
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