Tournament Beat Bad

I witnessed this at the Gilpin Casino while playing in a tournament last summer.

Flop comes QQQ and everyone checks the flop.
Turn brings 10s and late position guy bets (don't remember chip stacks or blind amounts), BB calls. Heads up now.
River is the As and BB makes a bet, other guy raises, BB reraises and they get all the chips in the middle.
BB shows Qh7d for Quad Q's!
Other guy shows KsJs for Royal Flush!

The sad part about the whole thing is that this hand does not qualify for the Tournament Bad Beat at the Gilpin which was up to about $13,000 due to the 7 not playing. How harsh is it to flop quads, slow play hoping that your opponents catch something (in this case a full house, flush or straight) then get beat down . I felt bad for the guy, but he has a great bad beat story. It's alright though, he made it to the final table and took second. I'm not sure what the odds of this happening are, but I'm sure it's tremendous.

wow thats pretty harsh...


not to hijack but about 5 minutes ago I was playing a $4.40 180 person SNG and with about 40 people left I pick up KsJs On the button and open for 4 times the big blind and the big blind calls. (I had about 2200 with the blinds at 100/200, I shoulda just pushed). Anyway the flop comes As7sKd, a very nice flop for me and the big blind checks. I push and he calls with QdQh. He has one out as the Qs is a flush for me. Anyway the turn is a brick and the river is the Qc.

This is how I run lately.

this just happened as I was typing this right now. I mean it is good this dumbshit is calling with this shit but when he hits the river it gets fucking gay. I coulda bet more on the river but I figured he hit the 9, that is jsut how I run.


PokerStars Game #14293539669: Tournament #71876200, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/01/03 - 13:09:03 (ET)
Table '71876200 46' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: bluntman82 (3000 in chips)
Seat 2: FloppyMcNutZ (2370 in chips)
Seat 3: thenuts1954 (2810 in chips)
Seat 4: Macoco (3600 in chips)
Seat 5: superjae1 (3370 in chips)
Seat 6: Lenni87 (2970 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: balzac63 (2910 in chips)
Seat 8: Duharijk (2520 in chips)
Seat 9: mcgwire2 (3450 in chips) is sitting out
mcgwire2: posts small blind 10
bluntman82: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FloppyMcNutZ [Ah Kd]
FloppyMcNutZ: raises 40 to 60
thenuts1954: calls 60
Macoco: folds
superjae1: calls 60
Lenni87: folds
balzac63: folds
Duharijk: folds
mcgwire2: folds
bluntman82: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kh 9d 6s]
FloppyMcNutZ: bets 120
thenuts1954: calls 120
superjae1: folds
*** TURN *** [Kh 9d 6s] [3h]
FloppyMcNutZ: bets 300
thenuts1954: calls 300
*** RIVER *** [Kh 9d 6s 3h] [9s]
FloppyMcNutZ: bets 300
thenuts1954: raises 300 to 600
FloppyMcNutZ: calls 300
*** SHOW DOWN ***
thenuts1954: shows [9h Th] (three of a kind, Nines)
FloppyMcNutZ: mucks hand
thenuts1954 collected 2250 from pot
FloppyMcNutZ said, "christ"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2250 | Rake 0
Board [Kh 9d 6s 3h 9s]
Seat 1: bluntman82 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: FloppyMcNutZ mucked [Ah Kd]
Seat 3: thenuts1954 showed [9h Th] and won (2250) with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 4: Macoco folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: superjae1 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Lenni87 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: balzac63 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Duharijk (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mcgwire2 (small blind) folded before Flop

Yeah, that's pretty harsh.

That sucks on the Q's and any one outer for that fact.

The person with the nines really got lucky as well unless he put you on a bluff. Do you notice more of this play in small buy in tournies? I'm just wondering if this person would still make this type of call if this were a $50+ tourney.

I'm not rolled for $50 buyin tourneys, but I see play like that at the $10 level all the time. One in particualr comes to mind...

In the Sunday Stars $100k guarantee, down to 56 players (out of 17,500), UTG raises 3x the BB, and I shove 3x his raise with AKs. He instacalls with A5o for about 2/3 of his remaining chips (obv he hits his 3 outer on the turn). That seems like a really donkfish call at that stage in a tourney where the difference between 1st and 56h was only about $18,300, especially as I had not shown down any junk at that table.

I've also been river 2- or 3-outed probably 6-8 times in the last month at or near the bubble in tourneys up to $10 buyins, in most cases by donks who either 3-bet shoved light with hands like 33-55 into my QQ-AA, or who called all in to my raises or 3-bets with similar, or with hands like A5 to AT to my AQ or AK.

I suspect the play doesn't get really better until at least the $50 level, but maybe not even until the $30R or $100 levels. Sometimes, I wish I had the stones to actually deposit a few thousand, instead of $150 or so, to find out, but I'm a bit nitty with my real life bankroll while my stocks are in the shit tank (I'm down more in the market in last 6 months than I'd ever let myself get down in poker over a lifetime.)

more in low buy-in... I have actually stepped down from the $20-$30 tourneys and am pissed as now I am losing when I was doing allright up there. It isn't that I had to cash out or anything I am just trying to finally be good about my BR and these baby tournies are pissing me off real bad. I am also making my move into tourney play. Sure I have been palying tournies for years and years but I have been primarily a cash game player. I am now trying to concentrate most of my efforts on tournies with big fields. I must admit that I am wanting that big cash. enough grinding. I have been grinding forever and now I want to win a big one. I did tell myself that I would stick to tournies under $15 for a while (unless a TD tourney or something comes up, not many people play that game as much as me and I am confident at it). and I am going to try to stick to it.

I actually don't play online much anymore. I've been playing big tourney freerolls just to see where I stand online, but my game has always been live action or live tournaments. I used to play at Paradise Poker before Poker Stars and Party Poker were big (back in 1999). My specialty was either 10-20 limit or $50 - $100 sit-n-go's. Cashed in 70% of the sit-n-go's I played and never once took second. Always 1st or 3rd mainly because my style was always for first meaning my aggression would usually take me out right away or give me enough to take first. When I was playing more online, I found the under $50 games to have some lousy players with lousy calls. These are people that have the mentality of "well it only cost me $10". Of course, the upside is these people will usually pay you off as well.

Won a freeroll last month for CakePoker's $100,000 guarantee on Saturday. I guess it's a $50 buyin with first place being $75,000. This could definitely help with my BR!