Bleeding to death playing Omaha HiLo split

SnowOcean wrote:Is there a better way to play these hands?

PokerStars Game #22705336872: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/12/07 13:21:58 ET
Table 'Gase II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Rhinosicle ($29.25 in chips)
Seat 3: siedog ($15.80 in chips)
Seat 4: mhs1971 ($13.50 in chips)
Seat 5: snowocean ($9 in chips) Reload.Seat 6: hotpoopsie ($7.60 in chips)
mhs1971: posts small blind $0.10
snowocean: posts big blind $0.25
nickthestick: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to snowocean [3d 4s Qc 8s]
hotpoopsie: raises $0.25 to $0.50
Rhinosicle: folds
siedog: calls $0.50
mhs1971: folds
snowocean: calls $0.25 Fold. he call isn't the worst thing ever but you need to know exactly what flop you want and that you are rarely going to get it.
*** FLOP *** [Ac 2h Kh]
snowocean: bets $0.50 Check. At least try and get a free card. With the heart draw out there the chances that you are playing for half increase even if you get the magic 5. Most of the deck has you getting half in not a quarter if anything at all. Check and fold to a pot bet.
hotpoopsie: calls $0.50
siedog: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [Ac 2h Kh] [Tc]
snowocean: checks
hotpoopsie: bets $0.50
siedog: raises $1 to $1.50
snowocean: calls $1.50 I fold here easily. There is no way I am getting the whole pot and definetly not anybody's stack (which is the goal of PLO8). This pot is not worth it. Laydown.
hotpoopsie: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [Ac 2h Kh Tc] [Qh]
snowocean: checks
hotpoopsie: checks
siedog: bets $1.25
snowocean: folds
hotpoopsie: calls $1.25
*** SHOW DOWN ***
siedog: shows [3h 2s Jh Qs] (HI: a flush, King high)
hotpoopsie: mucks hand
siedog collected $9.65 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.10 | Rake $0.45
Board [Ac 2h Kh Tc Qh]
Seat 1: Rhinosicle folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: siedog (button) showed [3h 2s Jh Qs] and won ($9.65) with HI: a flush, King high
Seat 4: mhs1971 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: snowocean (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 6: hotpoopsie mucked [Ad 3s 2c 6c]

I was in the BB so I figured 1 xtra bet wasn't a big deal. I flop the nut low draw, should I play this more aggressively?

Fold pre. You can do that in this game. The turn call was not pretty at all.



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PokerStars Game #22705379311: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/12/07 13:23:27 ET
Table 'Gase II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Rhinosicle ($29.25 in chips)
Seat 3: siedog ($21.70 in chips)
Seat 4: mhs1971 ($12.15 in chips)
Seat 5: snowocean ($7.90 in chips) Reload. PLO8 should be played for stacks when we have a hand. When we short stack we are only cippling ourselves.
Seat 6: hotpoopsie ($3.60 in chips)
hotpoopsie: posts small blind $0.10
Rhinosicle: posts big blind $0.25
nickthestick: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to snowocean [3s 9d 5d 2d]
siedog: calls $0.25
mhs1971: calls $0.25
snowocean: calls $0.25 Sure I guess. Just know what you want on the flop (and Ace and some babies).
hotpoopsie: calls $0.15
Rhinosicle: checks
*** FLOP *** [6c 9c 9s]
hotpoopsie: checks
Rhinosicle: checks
siedog: checks
mhs1971: checks
snowocean: bets $0.75 Pot. Someone will call and if they don't just pat yourself on the back and remember that it is better to win a small pot than to lose a big one...
hotpoopsie: calls $0.75
Rhinosicle: folds
siedog: folds
mhs1971: folds
*** TURN *** [6c 9c 9s] [Qs]
hotpoopsie: checks
snowocean: bets $1 Pot.
hotpoopsie: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [6c 9c 9s Qs] [Jd]
hotpoopsie: bets $0.75
snowocean: calls $0.75 Good.
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hotpoopsie: shows [Ah 7s 8c Td] (HI: a straight, Eight to Queen)
snowocean: mucks hand
hotpoopsie collected $5.95 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.25 | Rake $0.30
Board [6c 9c 9s Qs Jd]
Seat 1: Rhinosicle (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: siedog folded on the Flop
Seat 4: mhs1971 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: snowocean (button) mucked [3s 9d 5d 2d]
Seat 6: hotpoopsie (small blind) showed [Ah 7s 8c Td] and won ($5.95) with HI: a straight, Eight to Queen

Limp from the button with 3 wheel cards....flop was pretty good for me, should I be betting more here?

Sucks he hit but Pot on the flop and potting the turn is the best play here. You need to charge him, not give him a chance to catch up.
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PokerStars Game #22705466172: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/12/07 13:26:32 ET
Table 'Gase II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Rhinosicle ($28 in chips)
Seat 2: nickthestick ($8.65 in chips)
Seat 3: siedog ($22.70 in chips)
Seat 4: mhs1971 ($14.25 in chips)
Seat 5: snowocean ($5.15 in chips) Reload.
Seat 6: hotpoopsie ($5.30 in chips)
mhs1971: posts small blind $0.10
snowocean: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to snowocean [Td 6c 5h As]
hotpoopsie: folds
Rhinosicle: calls $0.25
nickthestick: calls $0.25
siedog: folds
mhs1971: calls $0.15
snowocean: checks
*** FLOP *** [2d 3s 5c]
mhs1971: checks
snowocean: bets $0.50 I take a free one here. If you can keep the pot small now you can call a pot sized bet if you pick up outs on the turn. The bigger the pot the more ammo you give your opponent to move you off your hand down the road.
Rhinosicle: folds
nickthestick: calls $0.50
mhs1971: folds
*** TURN *** [2d 3s 5c] [2c]
snowocean: checks
nickthestick: checks
*** RIVER *** [2d 3s 5c 2c] [6s]
snowocean: checks
nickthestick: bets $0.75
snowocean: calls $0.75 Fold. The pot is tiny and way too much has you beaten. Easy fold here.*** SHOW DOWN ***
nickthestick: shows [4c 5d Ad Qh] (HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 5,4,3,2,A)
snowocean: mucks hand
nickthestick collected $1.70 from pot
nickthestick collected $1.65 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.50 | Rake $0.15
Board [2d 3s 5c 2c 6s]
Seat 1: Rhinosicle folded on the Flop
Seat 2: nickthestick showed [4c 5d Ad Qh] and won ($3.35) with HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 5,4,3,2,A
Seat 3: siedog (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: mhs1971 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: snowocean (big blind) mucked [Td 6c 5h As]
Seat 6: hotpoopsie folded before Flop (didn't bet)

lovely BB hand......I think the only thing I can do here is fold on the river, but is it equitable?

Check flop, fold to just about anything from the turn on.

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PokerStars Game #22705488124: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/12/07 13:27:18 ET
Table 'Gase II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Rhinosicle ($27.75 in chips)
Seat 2: nickthestick ($10.50 in chips)
Seat 3: siedog ($22.70 in chips)
Seat 4: mhs1971 ($14 in chips)
Seat 5: snowocean ($3.65 in chips) (**cough** reload **cough**)
Seat 6: hotpoopsie ($5.30 in chips)
snowocean: posts small blind $0.10
hotpoopsie: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to snowocean [6c 9c 6h 8c]
Rhinosicle: calls $0.25
nickthestick: calls $0.25
siedog: calls $0.25
mhs1971: calls $0.25
snowocean: calls $0.15
hotpoopsie: checks
*** FLOP *** [Jh 6d Td]
snowocean: bets $0.50 Pot. You have bottom set with a draw that is not to the nuts unless you splike a 7. Any ace king or queen gives a bigger straight. You are out of position. Pot or check and call. I don't even think the board pairing now is safe but you could very well have the best hand at this point. With that stack I get it all in ASAP and pray. With a bigger stack things change as you stand to lose more.
hotpoopsie: calls $0.50
Rhinosicle: calls $0.50
nickthestick: folds
siedog: calls $0.50
mhs1971: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [Jh 6d Td] [Kd]
snowocean: checks
hotpoopsie: checks
Rhinosicle: bets $2
siedog: folds
mhs1971: folds
snowocean: folds
hotpoopsie: calls $2
*** RIVER *** [Jh 6d Td Kd] [Ad]
hotpoopsie: checks
Rhinosicle: bets $0.25
hotpoopsie: calls $0.25
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Rhinosicle: shows [5h Jd Qd Qc] (HI: a Royal Flush)
hotpoopsie: mucks hand
Rhinosicle collected $8.10 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.50 | Rake $0.40
Board [Jh 6d Td Kd Ad]
Seat 1: Rhinosicle showed [5h Jd Qd Qc] and won ($8.10) with HI: a Royal Flush
Seat 2: nickthestick folded on the Flop
Seat 3: siedog folded on the Turn
Seat 4: mhs1971 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: snowocean (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: hotpoopsie (big blind) mucked [7d Kc Tc Kh]

calling from the SB with a crappy hand, flop a set and don't have nearly enough chips to push any draws off on a draw heavy board.....any better plays?

Put more chips on the table. I think you played decent considering the small stack. Reload.

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Limped a couple more times and folded to bets then I get this hand that busts me:

PokerStars Game #22705610992: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/12/07 13:31:38 ET
Table 'Gase II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Rhinosicle ($33.60 in chips)
Seat 2: nickthestick ($11.75 in chips)
Seat 3: siedog ($19.80 in chips)
Seat 4: mhs1971 ($12.50 in chips)
Seat 5: snowocean ($1.90 in chips) (I reload or check out)
Seat 6: hotpoopsie ($2.90 in chips)
siedog: posts small blind $0.10
mhs1971: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to snowocean [Td 2c As Ts]
snowocean: calls $0.25
hotpoopsie: calls $0.25
Rhinosicle: raises $0.50 to $0.75
nickthestick: folds
siedog: calls $0.65
mhs1971: calls $0.50
snowocean: raises $1.15 to $1.90 and is all-in
hotpoopsie: folds
Rhinosicle: calls $1.15
siedog: calls $1.15
mhs1971: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc 7d 4h]
siedog: checks
Rhinosicle: checks
*** TURN *** [Qc 7d 4h] [Jd]
siedog: checks
Rhinosicle: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qc 7d 4h Jd] [4s]
siedog: checks
Rhinosicle: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
siedog: shows [3d 5s 8c 6h] (HI: a pair of Fours)
snowocean: shows [Td 2c As Ts] (HI: two pair, Tens and Fours)
Rhinosicle: shows [Ac Tc Ah 4d] (HI: three of a kind, Fours)
Rhinosicle collected $6.40 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.70 | Rake $0.30
Board [Qc 7d 4h Jd 4s]
Seat 1: Rhinosicle showed [Ac Tc Ah 4d] and won ($6.40) with HI: three of a kind, Fours
Seat 2: nickthestick (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: siedog (small blind) showed [3d 5s 8c 6h] and lost with HI: a pair of Fours
Seat 4: mhs1971 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: snowocean showed [Td 2c As Ts] and lost with HI: two pair, Tens and Fours
Seat 6: hotpoopsie folded before Flop

Do you like 2 callers here?

No comment. We need some chips to play poker.

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Is this a session I need to chalk up to variance, or am I misunderstanding how to play Omaha HiLo?

SnowOcean wrote:Thanks for the input, pretty much got the same comments on two plus two.......unfortunately I don't have the stomach for deeper stacks:

PokerStars Game #22753031394: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/12/09 0:29:49 ET
Table 'Naos II' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: snowocean ($3.88 in chips)
Seat 2: jobber123rd ($9.95 in chips)
Seat 3: shremiehead ($1.26 in chips)
Seat 4: BD970 ($13.10 in chips)
Seat 5: wlh_2007 ($3.16 in chips)
Seat 6: rosie5 ($10.74 in chips)
jobber123rd: posts small blind $0.02
shremiehead: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to snowocean [Jc Qc Qd 9h]
BD970: calls $0.05
wlh_2007: calls $0.05
rosie5: folds
snowocean: calls $0.05
jobber123rd: folds
shremiehead: raises $0.22 to $0.27
BD970: calls $0.22
wlh_2007: calls $0.22
snowocean: calls $0.22
*** FLOP *** [Qh Jh 6s]
shremiehead: checks
BD970: checks
wlh_2007: checks
snowocean: bets $1.05
shremiehead: folds
BD970: folds
wlh_2007: calls $1.05
*** TURN *** [Qh Jh 6s] [8c]
wlh_2007: checks
snowocean: bets $2.56 and is all-in
wlh_2007: calls $1.84 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.72) returned to snowocean
*** RIVER *** [Qh Jh 6s 8c] [5h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wlh_2007: shows [7h Ah 7s 8s] (HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 8,7,6,5,A)
snowocean: mucks hand
wlh_2007 collected $3.29 from pot
wlh_2007 collected $3.29 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.88 | Rake $0.30
Board [Qh Jh 6s 8c 5h]
Seat 1: snowocean (button) mucked [Jc Qc Qd 9h]
Seat 2: jobber123rd (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: shremiehead (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: BD970 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: wlh_2007 showed [7h Ah 7s 8s] and won ($6.58) with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 8,7,6,5,A
Seat 6: rosie5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I know I had no business even playing this pot to a preflop raise, but it still pisses me off!