Sat May 17th Mixed Cash Game

Jenna and I will host this month and it'll be just a mixed cash game. Same structure as at Danny's place including all the HORSE game, 2-7 triple draw, and added for this month, Pineapple regular and crazy. We'll try to get the card in the air no later than 8pm and if people are more than welcome to arrive at 7 and when we have enough to play, we'll begin.

Thank you in advance Danny for getting a table for us and if there is enough interest, Jenna and I can make 2 tables fit, our problem would be having enough chairs, but we'll be able to figure something out as the day nears and we have a count.

Hold em, Omaha, Omaha/8b, Pineapple, and Crazy Pineapple are played $0.50/$1.00 with a $0.25 small blind and $0.50 big blind with one bet and 3 raises allowed.

Stud, Razz, and Stud/8b will have a $0.10 ante, $0.25 bring in, and $0.50 complete with double bet allowed (if board pairs) and one bet with 3 raises allowed.

With 6 or fewer Triple Draw and possibly Badugi can be introduced.

Triple Draw and Badugi will be played $0.25/$0.50 with a single $0.25 blind with one bet and 3 raises allowed.

Again, none of the house game will be played like follow the queen, baseball, guts...etc

Let us know if you are interested and I'll add names to this post to keep a count and I'll PM you with our address.


In: Jenna, Keith, Keith (dexman), Danny (PoWdA)

Count me in. Hopefully I can recoup some of my losses from previous poker nights....

In! You do need a table? I will get one, as we get closer to the date I will figure a way to get it to your place! Do you need chips? Cards? let me know!

Table is definately needed. We have a lot of chips many mixed sets that I'm sure we can throw together for the night but if you feel the desire to bring your chips, we won't stop you. We have cards.

I have an extra octagonal and a round table. I will sell either for $350. If you like ovals, I know someone that makes them and can do lights and racetracks. Jimmy does the ovals 303.317.4537.

I am also interested in playing, but I need to be a little closer to the date to confirm.

grasshopp3r wrote:I have an extra octagonal and a round table. I will sell either for $350. If you like ovals, I know someone that makes them and can do lights and racetracks. Jimmy does the ovals 303.317.4537.

I am also interested in playing, but I need to be a little closer to the date to confirm.

Jimmy who used to deal for Rico Jimmy? I remember him saying something about building poker tables once, wondering if you are talking about him.

PoWdA wrote:

grasshopp3r wrote:I have an extra octagonal and a round table. I will sell either for $350. If you like ovals, I know someone that makes them and can do lights and racetracks. Jimmy does the ovals 303.317.4537.

I am also interested in playing, but I need to be a little closer to the date to confirm.

Jimmy who used to deal for Rico Jimmy? I remember him saying something about building poker tables once, wondering if you are talking about him.

That is what I thought as well. If grasshopp3r was at that game at Jimmy's house with Brentinaurora, I think we may have met before. Not sure though.

PoWdA wrote:

grasshopp3r wrote:I have an extra octagonal and a round table. I will sell either for $350. If you like ovals, I know someone that makes them and can do lights and racetracks. Jimmy does the ovals 303.317.4537.

I am also interested in playing, but I need to be a little closer to the date to confirm.

Jimmy who used to deal for Rico Jimmy? I remember him saying something about building poker tables once, wondering if you are talking about him.

I used to play in a home game with him.

dexman1349 wrote:

PoWdA wrote:

grasshopp3r wrote:I have an extra octagonal and a round table. I will sell either for $350. If you like ovals, I know someone that makes them and can do lights and racetracks. Jimmy does the ovals 303.317.4537.

I am also interested in playing, but I need to be a little closer to the date to confirm.

Jimmy who used to deal for Rico Jimmy? I remember him saying something about building poker tables once, wondering if you are talking about him.

That is what I thought as well. If grasshopp3r was at that game at Jimmy's house with Brentinaurora, I think we may have met before. Not sure though.

If you were at a game with brentinaurora I have a funny feeling you just might have played with grasshopp3er before

PoWdA wrote: If you were at a game with brentinaurora I have a funny feeling you just might have played with grasshopp3er before

I had a feeling...

Yes, that is the same Jimmy and I play in his games. I am not sure if you knew him. It is a small community in Denver.

There is another tournament on May 17 that I will play instead of this one, but I would be interested in future games. The tourney is 40+ people at a social club, if anyone else wants to play.

No, I believe that I only played with idh78 once, but once was enough for me. I don't tolerate throwing cards, angle shooting and being disruptive, especially in a tournament. Hopefully, I was wrong about the angle shooting, but the other behavior was clearly evident.

I don't like games that don't start on time. There were also too many people that were in the "friend of a friend, I think" category that could cause security issues. I enjoyed playing with the host and the architect, but there was limited experience in running a tourney of that size. I am sure that they have learned some things since then.

I have no hard feelings about you or them. As you know, there are plenty of games.

I think it's pretty poor form to throw out accusations of angle shooting and collussion then tossing in a little "maybe I'm wrong".

I've played with Ian several times and I've enjoyed it each time. I sincerely doubt the angleshooting and collussion claims. I don't doubt that he had a few drinks and had a good time.

If brentinaurora (denverpoker.com) = grasshopp3r, then we've played together once at Jimmy's house. It was around Christmas (I can't seem to remember exactly when it was). Remember we played that quick 4-handed $1 game before the main tourney started? I don't believe idh (Ian) was at that game, but I could be mistaken.

I'll tell you that I've never seen any of the action you've described at any of the games I've played against Ian. Each time I've played with him laughs were had, and people had a good time.

As far as the games starting on time, it all depends on your level of expectations for that tourney. If you know there will be ~20 close friends playing a home game, then start times can vary by hours. If you're looking for a tourney that starts at the exact moment it's advertised for, try playing up the hill. EVERY home game I have ever played was done so at a friends first - poker second mentality which means I'm there to hang out with friends, poker is just the medium.

Either case, sorry we'll miss you this time around. Perhaps you can make the next one. It really is a fun game. I think the only person who left one of our games mad would have to be Scrup's wife (but that was for outside reasons ).

I did not leave mad and like I said, I have no hard feelings.

If you want to tolerate Ian, go right ahead. In my opinion, it was angle shooting and it should have resulted in a penalty after the cards were thrown. I am glad that he has not displayed that behavior for you. The tourney in Roxborough was supposed to start at 6 and it went off at about 7:30 or so. Live and learn.

grasshopp3r wrote:I did not leave mad and like I said, I have no hard feelings.

If you want to tolerate Ian, go right ahead. In my opinion, it was angle shooting and it should have resulted in a penalty after the cards were thrown. I am glad that he has not displayed that behavior for you. The tourney in Roxborough was supposed to start at 6 and it went off at about 7:30 or so. Live and learn.

I've played with that group many times. I was a little leary going in b/c everyone knew each other, etc. and I was the new guy. I've always been treated very well and haven't seen anything shady at all (I've also won more than I've lost which leads leads me to believe that they're not colluding to steal my $40). I have a tough time getting out of the house, but make an effort to go to these tournies b/c it seems like a good group of folks.

I don't typically consider card throwing angle shooting, just poor etiquette. I'm sure that Ian doesn't care, but in a lot of poker player circles being called a cheater is pretty much the same as being one. For that reason I would have to be pretty certain a person was cheating before I put that information out in a public forum.

We obviously have different levels of expectations when it comes to home poker games. Like I said earlier, I play because I like to hang out with friends. If a game starts 1.5 hours late, who cares? You're surrounded by friends and having a good time (the major reason for being there in the first place). I agree that when it starts late = late night, but shouldn't that figure into your schedule just a little?

As far as penalties, IMO should NEVER be needed at a home game. You're playing with friends, and if you can't tell them to knock it off, maybe they aren't friends afterall and should maybe consider playing elsewhere. If you're at a game filled with "he's a friend of a friend, I think" type of people (especially ones that you would consider "security risks"), maybe you should reconsider playing in the first place. Penalties should only be encountered at casinos, card rooms, and any other establisment that is professionally dealt. These places are typically playing multiple tables filled with people who have no idea who they are sitting next to and therefore have little to no "friendship" mentality.

Besides, isn't that how the laws are written in Colorado? In order for a home pokergame to be legal, don't ALL of the players present have to know the others in a non-poker context before the game starts?

I have to agree with Stallion on this when it comes to the cheating allegations. Those are some pretty harsh words to be throwing out there, especially without any backstory or context to put them in. I get the impression that Grasshopp3r isn't entirely sure he's even played with Ian, then to call him a cheater? Harsh.

Ok, we really should give Kkravec his thread back. We have managed to completely derail it. Is there any way to move this portion into a seperate thread?

I am certain that it was Ian. If he hasn't done it again, I saw the isolated incident that was the exception. Nobody is perfect and I don't claim to be either.

Angle shooting is folding and then trying to retrieve your cards from the muck after realizing that you made the str8 to win the hand. That is what Ian did. I was asked to give a ruling and that is what I did. Then, after I said that his hand was dead, he had a tantrum, threw his cards and stormed off. Whatever.

Yes, you need to have a social relationship with the players at the game for it to be considered an exemption to the gambling laws of Colorado. All of the poker busts that I know of have been raked games. You do not run much risk if the game is not raked. Home games are usually off of the radar screen of the police.

Holy crap apples batman!

what started all this nonsense?

WOW first off let me say, being accused of angle-shooting, colluding, cheating is a first for me so I'm not exactly how I can respond in a civil way but here it goes.....

in regards to the situation you are describing, the reason I was upset with your ruling was A) it was the incorrect ruling in my opinion (several people there later pointed out that I was correct, but they were unfamilair with the rule at the time which states:

"2. Cards thrown into the muck may be ruled dead. However, a hand that is clearly identifiable may be retrieved at management’s discretion if doing so is in the best interest of the game. We will make an extra effort to rule a hand retrievable if it was folded as a result of false information given to the player."

the action went check check and the other player said "straight" jokingly...and I said you got me I missed my draw....and tossed my cards facedown in front of me....they did NOT hit the muck. They were clearly identifiable. when the other player table his 10 high, I quickly grabbed my cards and flipped them over....and this is when the debate took place.....for some reason you were picked to make a ruling and you declared my hand dead....I was upset that someone I didn't know, who clearly didn't have a vast knowledge of tournament poker was allowed to make this ruling....even if someone who I know has a good knowledge of the game and rules makes the same ruling as you, I would have accepted it and moved on....but sorry sir you were kind of an ass about it, acting a little high and mighty about it in the process.

but even after all this you would still have been more than welcome to play in our game.....until the a few days later when you went on our website and basically told us our game sucks, was poorly run, and started making "suggestions" on how we should run our game.....

basically your arrogance pissed everybody off, so you can accuse me of cheating and try to make me look bad, but I'm sure the truth about you will come out soon enough, if it hasn't already.

Edit- I agree with Keith, there was no need to hijack this thread, which was meant to discuss an upcoming home game.

idh78 wrote:Edit- I agree with Keith, there was no need to hijack this thread, which was meant to discuss an upcoming home game.

Sorry, I think that was my fault.

Regarding the thread topic, I'm going to try to get a kitchen pass for this game. It might be tough though since I'll be out the Saturday prior playing in a tourney with a bunch of colluders and cheaters.

It'd be fun to play something other than hold 'em for a change.

Stallion wrote:

idh78 wrote:Edit- I agree with Keith, there was no need to hijack this thread, which was meant to discuss an upcoming home game.

It'd be fun to play something other than hold 'em for a change.

agreed. I am going to try to make this game as well....Still trying to figure out what my wife wants to do for her b-day which is the 21st....but if I'm free I'm there.

why only lose at hold em when you can lose at so many other games?

Stallion wrote:

idh78 wrote:Edit- I agree with Keith, there was no need to hijack this thread, which was meant to discuss an upcoming home game.

Sorry, I think that was my fault.

Regarding the thread topic, I'm going to try to get a kitchen pass for this game. It might be tough though since I'll be out the Saturday prior playing in a tourney with a bunch of colluders and cheaters.

It'd be fun to play something other than hold 'em for a change.

I'll be at that same game, David. Do you know roughly where it is? I have no idea where Roxborough is.

dexman1349 wrote:

Stallion wrote:

idh78 wrote:Edit- I agree with Keith, there was no need to hijack this thread, which was meant to discuss an upcoming home game.

Sorry, I think that was my fault.

Regarding the thread topic, I'm going to try to get a kitchen pass for this game. It might be tough though since I'll be out the Saturday prior playing in a tourney with a bunch of colluders and cheaters.

It'd be fun to play something other than hold 'em for a change.

I'll be at that same game, David. Do you know roughly where it is? I have no idea where Roxborough is.

we'll get you directions....it's out by lockhead martin or however you spell that...just south of chatfield reservoir

sorry to hijack the thread again..but why on earth would anyone want this asshat to play at thier home? I could see this douche calling the cops and having your game busted. Well I guess more power to you..the only place you will have to play is the casinos, so you can bitch to them.

I have played with Ian many times.

Accusing him of being an angle shooter is ridiculous. Not only has he always been nothing less than a class act at the table but he is also a great guy away from the table too. He has also demonstrated a very good understanding of many games and the rules that apply to each. Just because a player may become frustrated at some point during a game doesn't make him an angle shooter. We don't always agree with eachother on all of the rules but I would trust Ians call any day as he has demonstrated to me many times that he plays a fair game. Saying Ian and "angle shooter" in the same sentence is just crazy. I would trust his call any day.



Back to the thread in progress please! Bashing Ian about being an angle shooter is friggen pointless. Most here have played with him and you (grasshopp3r) are the only person I have ever seen who had something bad to say about him. I don't get it, Ian is a great guy. Maybe you 2 don't see eye to eye but I wouldn't come here bashing Ian when he is surrounded by friends.

PoWdA wrote:I wouldn't come here bashing Ian when he is surrounded by friends.

Hey now! Let's not get crazy here. Who said anything about being his friend?????



Based on the description of events grasshopper may have a misunderstanding of the term "angle shooting". If anyone in that scenario was angle shooting it was the person that verbally declared their hand incorrectly causing the fold. What grasshopper and Ian had was a disagreement regarding a ruling.

Regardless, people are entitled to their opinions, I just have an issue with accusations being flung about so casually.