A few Razz hands from tourney play

Mondogarage wrote:

Full Tilt Poker Game #5048634733: $5 + $0.50 Tournament (38236198), Table 9 - 120/240 Ante 20 - Limit Razz - 22:58:06 ET - 2008/01/29
Seat 1: oscar057 (2,514)
Seat 2: PayDragon (1,877)
Seat 3: JMAVIS25 (212)
Seat 4: Mondogarage (848)
Seat 5: tnittany10 (1,655)
Seat 6: wireman09 (2,056)
Seat 7: LBanyard (4,925)
Seat 8: favrefan1987 (1,868)
oscar057 antes 20
PayDragon antes 20
JMAVIS25 antes 20
Mondogarage antes 20
tnittany10 antes 20
wireman09 antes 20
LBanyard antes 20
favrefan1987 antes 20
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to oscar057 [Qh]
Dealt to PayDragon [3s]
Dealt to JMAVIS25 [4d]
Dealt to Mondogarage [2d Kc] [4c]
Dealt to tnittany10 [2h]
Dealt to wireman09 [8d]
Dealt to LBanyard [7h]
Dealt to favrefan1987 [4h]
oscar057 is high with [Qh]
oscar057 brings in for 40
PayDragon calls 40
JMAVIS25 folds
Mondogarage calls 40
tnittany10 folds
wireman09 folds
LBanyard folds
favrefan1987 completes it to 120
oscar057 folds
PayDragon calls 80
Mondogarage calls 80
The only reason I think this hand is playable is because you need to make a move at some point and your 4 is paired twice and your 2 once therefore reducing your chances of pairing later on in the hand. On the bad side there are quite a few cards you need out like the 3,7, and 8 which all could win the hand later down the road for you. Here I don't mind the limp, and I think calling the complete is okay as well. I mean you really have no choice at this point and a raise changes nothing, I really dont like playing a high card in the hole unless I have good position on 3rd and can play HU but then I bring it in for a raise and obv hope my opponent bricks and I catch good or at least better. In the future I would say don't do this too much, play solid hands up front, steal with bad ones with a good door card in position on 3rd. Lets see 4th.
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to PayDragon [3s] [2s]
Dealt to Mondogarage [2d Kc 4c] [Ad]
Dealt to favrefan1987 [4h] [9c]
PayDragon bets 120
Mondogarage calls 120
favrefan1987 calls 120
Okay. You can think about raising as I think paydragon has a high card in the hole. Notice how he called the bring on 3rd? Isolate, you are probly behind but you stand a better chance HU. farve might not fold but either way you A) get it HU which can only be good at this point or B) dude calls, and you are now in a bigger pot if you win or C) farve folds, dragon raises and you know you are screwed but at least you knew before the river, that will teach you to limp with a K in the hole.. great card for you and bad card for farvefan although he could be really good in the hole but two bets could get him out and you want that as he probobly has the best hand. Again I don't know if I make this move if I have chips because there would be little reason to get involved with this hand on 3rd street.
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to PayDragon [3s 2s] [8h]
Dealt to Mondogarage [2d Kc 4c Ad] [6c]
Dealt to favrefan1987 [4h 9c] [6s]
Mondogarage bets 240
favrefan1987 raises to 480
PayDragon raises to 720
Mondogarage calls 348, and is all in
favrefan1987 calls 240
Another great card but it would be even better if farve was out. This card could have paired farve, we will see, you have made it this far, put it all in. Two cards to go...
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to PayDragon [3s 2s 8h] [9s]
Dealt to Mondogarage [2d Kc 4c Ad 6c] [8c]
Dealt to favrefan1987 [4h 9c 6s] [3c]
favrefan1987 bets 240
PayDragon raises to 480
favrefan1987 raises to 720
PayDragon raises to 897, and is all in
favrefan1987 calls 168, and is all in
PayDragon shows [4s 6d 3s 2s 8h 9s]
Mondogarage shows [2d Kc 4c Ad 6c 8c]
favrefan1987 shows [2c 5c 4h 9c 6s 3c]
Uncalled bet of 9 returned to PayDragon
I was WAY off but still I think the raise on 4th is the best play. you need a .... *** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to PayDragon [4s 6d 3s 2s 8h 9s] [Jh]
Dealt to Mondogarage [2d Kc 4c Ad 6c 8c] [3h] ... MIRACLE!!
Dealt to favrefan1987 [2c 5c 4h 9c 6s 3c] [Qc]


WOW what a lucky nice draw... If I play a hand like this I am raising on 3rd for a few reasons:

1) To take the pot right here. Normally in this situation someone that is not going to happen but somebody told paydragon it was a good idea to slow play so that changes things..

2) To gain information. I think farve woud have re-raised as he played pretty aggro and then you can get away. again your stack comes into question... Can you afford to play this hand? Can you afford not too? If it is the latter you should have been raming and jamming. You can't get away from this hand if you do call so you should be raising if you decide to play it at all.



I had no idea paydragon was capable of limping with that huge hand. I guess some people like to slow play in razz. I for one dont. You got SUPER lucky in this one. Still nh. I could also play it the way you did, I was just pointing out a different path you cald have taken with this hand although I think I fold this on 3rd almost all of the time. A J or a T in the hole can change this slightly.

NH --- Also I am in a hurry. I have been meaning to get to these hands for 2 days but between work, school, and a prego girlfriend I have suprisingly little time. I will try to get to the rest soon. Also don't take my word as gospel, I have leaks and have not been playing much Razz lately. By going over these hands we all get better.

Mondogarage wrote:

Full Tilt Poker Game #5048981306: $5 + $0.50 Tournament (38236198), Table 9 - 250/500 Ante 40 - Limit Razz - 23:25:53 ET - 2008/01/29
Seat 2: JackSimpson (4,407)
Seat 3: AoM-DoA (2,209)
Seat 4: Mondogarage (2,969)
Seat 5: tnittany10 (3,390)
Seat 6: olenanner (3,585)
Seat 7: LBanyard (7,404)
Seat 8: didder (5,067)
JackSimpson antes 40
AoM-DoA antes 40
Mondogarage antes 40
tnittany10 antes 40
olenanner antes 40
LBanyard antes 40
didder antes 40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to JackSimpson [8h]
Dealt to AoM-DoA [5s]
Dealt to Mondogarage [As 3d] [Ah]
Dealt to tnittany10 [Jc]
Dealt to olenanner [5h]
Dealt to LBanyard [9c]
Dealt to didder [7s]
tnittany10 is high with [Jc]
tnittany10 brings in for 75
olenanner completes it to 250
LBanyard folds
didder folds
JackSimpson folds
AoM-DoA calls 250
Mondogarage has 15 seconds left to act
Mondogarage calls 250
I dont like the call already. You have to think that at least the guy completing has a big hand, the fact that someone calls here causes me to put this in the muck. I muck unless I can call only the bring in.
tnittany10 folds
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to AoM-DoA [5s] [Qs]
Dealt to Mondogarage [As 3d Ah] [7c]
Dealt to olenanner [5h] [3c]
olenanner bets 250
AoM-DoA folds
Mondogarage calls 250
olenaner is most likely ahead here. Yes you caught a pretty decent card here but I don't like this spot, considering you put yourself in it. I use the hand you are playing on 3rd as a raising hand and try to steal the antes. Here you are going to 5th street next and you still won't have the best hand no matter how good you catch. This is why I don't like pairs, espesially calling a completed bet with one. You could make the argument that this is one of the best pairs you could have but that means nothing if one of your opponents already has an ace, then having the 2 aces here only makes thier hand stronger. Also he could pair but he doesn't. Doubt he paired due to the other open 3, I don't like raising here too much but you could if for nothing else information i.e. he re-raises you fold while the betting is still cheap.
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Mondogarage [As 3d Ah 7c] [2c]
Dealt to olenanner [5h 3c] [4h]
olenanner bets 500
Mondogarage calls 500
What can I say, you are catching about as good as you could hope for, just know that he could have board lock on you at this point. You are in a scary place now. We do have some info. The chance that he paired his 3 is slightly lower since we have one. We also know there was another 5 out. doubtful he started with a pair of fives. Other than that all we are beating is a rough 7 IF we hit. I mean you have gone this far, can't look back, 5th is the street we decide this on.
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Mondogarage [As 3d Ah 7c 2c] [9d]
Dealt to olenanner [5h 3c 4h] [7d]
olenanner bets 500
Mondogarage calls 500
Now we need a 5 to maybe win and a 6 can lose the pot. we have in effect 3 outs (the fours in the deck, one is open in his hand) and that is if he does not have a wheel or a made 6 not to mention he can still draw to a better hand on the next card just like you. The problem started when you began the hand with a pair.
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to Mondogarage [As 3d Ah 7c 2c 9d] [Th]
olenanner bets 500
Mondogarage folds
I honeslty usually call here. You would be surprised how many times the villain will turn over 3 pair or something ugly like that. There was too much in the pot to fold. I mean of his 3 unknown cards he just needs one under 9 to beat you not to mention he can have a 9 better than yours as well so I guess it goes either way. still I do think you win 1 time in 8 here. I just say that from experience, I have no math to back that up, but I call here.
Uncalled bet of 500 returned to olenanner
olenanner mucks
olenanner wins the pot (3,605)

PoWdA wrote:

Mondogarage wrote:

Full Tilt Poker Game #5048981306: $5 + $0.50 Tournament (38236198), Table 9 - 250/500 Ante 40 - Limit Razz - 23:25:53 ET - 2008/01/29
Seat 2: JackSimpson (4,407)
Seat 3: AoM-DoA (2,209)
Seat 4: Mondogarage (2,969)
Seat 5: tnittany10 (3,390)
Seat 6: olenanner (3,585)
Seat 7: LBanyard (7,404)
Seat 8: didder (5,067)
JackSimpson antes 40
AoM-DoA antes 40
Mondogarage antes 40
tnittany10 antes 40
olenanner antes 40
LBanyard antes 40
didder antes 40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to JackSimpson [8h]
Dealt to AoM-DoA [5s]
Dealt to Mondogarage [As 3d] [Ah]
Dealt to tnittany10 [Jc]
Dealt to olenanner [5h]
Dealt to LBanyard [9c]
Dealt to didder [7s]
tnittany10 is high with [Jc]
tnittany10 brings in for 75
olenanner completes it to 250
LBanyard folds
didder folds
JackSimpson folds
AoM-DoA calls 250
Mondogarage has 15 seconds left to act
Mondogarage calls 250
I dont like the call already. You have to think that at least the guy completing has a big hand, the fact that someone calls here causes me to put this in the muck. I muck unless I can call only the bring in.
tnittany10 folds
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to AoM-DoA [5s] [Qs]
Dealt to Mondogarage [As 3d Ah] [7c]
Dealt to olenanner [5h] [3c]
olenanner bets 250
AoM-DoA folds
Mondogarage calls 250
olenaner is most likely ahead here. Yes you caught a pretty decent card here but I don't like this spot, considering you put yourself in it. I use the hand you are playing on 3rd as a raising hand and try to steal the antes. Here you are going to 5th street next and you still won't have the best hand no matter how good you catch. This is why I don't like pairs, espesially calling a completed bet with one. You could make the argument that this is one of the best pairs you could have but that means nothing if one of your opponents already has an ace, then having the 2 aces here only makes thier hand stronger. Also he could pair but he doesn't. Doubt he paired due to the other open 3, I don't like raising here too much but you could if for nothing else information i.e. he re-raises you fold while the betting is still cheap.

Mondogarage wrote:

PoWdA wrote:

Mondogarage wrote:

Full Tilt Poker Game #5048981306: $5 + $0.50 Tournament (38236198), Table 9 - 250/500 Ante 40 - Limit Razz - 23:25:53 ET - 2008/01/29
Seat 2: JackSimpson (4,407)
Seat 3: AoM-DoA (2,209)
Seat 4: Mondogarage (2,969)
Seat 5: tnittany10 (3,390)
Seat 6: olenanner (3,585)
Seat 7: LBanyard (7,404)
Seat 8: didder (5,067)
JackSimpson antes 40
AoM-DoA antes 40
Mondogarage antes 40
tnittany10 antes 40
olenanner antes 40
LBanyard antes 40
didder antes 40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to JackSimpson [8h]
Dealt to AoM-DoA [5s]
Dealt to Mondogarage [As 3d] [Ah]
Dealt to tnittany10 [Jc]
Dealt to olenanner [5h]
Dealt to LBanyard [9c]
Dealt to didder [7s]
tnittany10 is high with [Jc]
tnittany10 brings in for 75
olenanner completes it to 250
LBanyard folds
didder folds
JackSimpson folds
AoM-DoA calls 250
Mondogarage has 15 seconds left to act
Mondogarage calls 250
I dont like the call already. You have to think that at least the guy completing has a big hand, the fact that someone calls here causes me to put this in the muck. I muck unless I can call only the bring in.
tnittany10 folds
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to AoM-DoA [5s] [Qs]
Dealt to Mondogarage [As 3d Ah] [7c]
Dealt to olenanner [5h] [3c]
olenanner bets 250
AoM-DoA folds
Mondogarage calls 250
olenaner is most likely ahead here. Yes you caught a pretty decent card here but I don't like this spot, considering you put yourself in it. I use the hand you are playing on 3rd as a raising hand and try to steal the antes. Here you are going to 5th street next and you still won't have the best hand no matter how good you catch. This is why I don't like pairs, espesially calling a completed bet with one. You could make the argument that this is one of the best pairs you could have but that means nothing if one of your opponents already has an ace, then having the 2 aces here only makes thier hand stronger. Also he could pair but he doesn't. Doubt he paired due to the other open 3, I don't like raising here too much but you could if for nothing else information i.e. he re-raises you fold while the betting is still cheap.

This is exactly the kind of advice I was looking for. I often struggle putting people on having three to the nut in those spots, because I'd expect a completed bet to be raised there. I really screwed the pooch by playing it at all, since up to four of my drawing cards were already out, and I needed to hit 3 of 4 to come. Guess I fell in lust with the fact that my pair was so low. Thanks.

Mondogarage wrote:


Full Tilt Poker Game #5049146888: $5 + $0.50 Tournament (38236198), Table 4 - 300/600 Ante 50 - Limit Razz - 23:39:35 ET - 2008/01/29
Seat 1: GeeHeeb (9,936), is sitting out
Seat 2: murjac (4,249)
Seat 3: Mondogarage (2,944)
Seat 4: olenanner (8,779)
Seat 5: chasebird24 (3,066)
Seat 6: backword (14,238)
Seat 7: Shortpoolguy (2,478)
Seat 8: LBanyard (6,786)
GeeHeeb antes 50
murjac antes 50
Mondogarage antes 50
olenanner antes 50
chasebird24 antes 50
backword antes 50
Shortpoolguy antes 50
LBanyard antes 50
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to GeeHeeb [8d]
Dealt to murjac [5s]
Dealt to Mondogarage [2h 5d] [3d]
Dealt to olenanner [2s]
Dealt to chasebird24 [Kh]
Dealt to backword [Ks]
Dealt to Shortpoolguy [7s]
Dealt to LBanyard [9s]
backword is high with [Ks]
backword brings in for 100
Shortpoolguy folds
LBanyard folds
GeeHeeb folds
murjac calls 100
Mondogarage completes it to 300
Standard
olenanner calls 300
chasebird24 folds
backword has 15 seconds left to act
LBanyard has been disconnected
backword is sitting out
backword has timed out
backword folds
murjac calls 200
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to murjac [5s] [6s]
Dealt to Mondogarage [2h 5d 3d] [Ah]
Dealt to olenanner [2s] [2c]
LBanyard has reconnected
Mondogarage has 15 seconds left to act
Mondogarage checks
olenanner checks
murjac bets 300
Mondogarage calls 300
I like the call. You have a sweet draw, olenanner has an open pair and you have a 2 so this is an allright place to try and let others in the pot.
olenanner folds
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to murjac [5s 6s] [Qc]
Dealt to Mondogarage [2h 5d 3d Ah] [9d]
LBanyard has been disconnected
LBanyard has reconnected
Mondogarage has 15 seconds left to act
Mondogarage bets 600
Standard, you are obviously ahead, you HAVE to bet here and you did.
murjac calls 600
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to murjac [5s 6s Qc] [4s]
Dealt to Mondogarage [2h 5d 3d Ah 9d] [6h]
Mondogarage bets 600
murjac calls 600
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to Mondogarage [2h 5d 3d Ah 9d 6h] [5h]
Mondogarage bets 600
murjac raises to 1,200
backword has returned
Mondogarage calls 494, and is all in
Uncalled bet of 106 returned to murjac

Nice hand. Played well, Standard. (other than the fact that you caught good, that is not standard for me at all )